To anyone who actually believes what Live Action says:
Planned Parenthood did not try to cover up a sex-trafficking operation. This article came out before the videos surfaced. Yep, that’s right, Planned Parenthood contacted the FBI before the “evidence” was released. Live Action forgot to mention that part though. Oops.
To tell you the truth it really doesn’t matter when this article came out or not or when the evidence came out. The articale states that the police was only called after planned parent hood caught wind of the sting. The police were only first contacted on the 15 th. By that time 7 clinics had already been visited. The call to the fbi came at the earliest the 16th after it was suspected that they been part of sting. There is no report of the 7 clinics in nj , va, ny, and DC calling the police. so maybe not the whole organization is at fault, but at least seven clinics are. In the videos plan parenthood employees clearly try to help the pimp get what he needs without getting in trouble.
It said that both clinics in Arizona contacted the police after they were visited on the 15th. It doesn’t say that the 15th was the first time that the police were alerted nor did it say that the other clinics didn’t call the police when they were visited. Even if they didn’t contact the FBI until the 16th, that doesn’t mean that the local police weren’t alerted first (which is usually how it goes anyway).
I don’t know why I’m wasting my time though, none of this is going to matter to you. Just like Live Action, you love twisting and manipulating facts to suit your agenda. “Oh, the article said that the clinics in Arizona called the police after they were visited on the 15th? Obviously that means that the 15th was the first time that law enforcement was alerted. I’m so logical!”
It’s time to wake up. Your beloved organization is full of shit.
The videos that were posted on the site were of ones from nj, va , ny, and DC. The report says:
Bryan Howard, CEO of Planned Parenthood of Arizona, said staff at the clinics in Tucson and Scottsdale were in a state of vigilance when the visitor showed up on Jan. 15, because of alerts that had come from affiliates in the East about suspicious visits earlier that week. Also, Arizona clinics had been the target of a Live Action operation in the past.
Howard said his staff at both clinics notified local police.
Assuming that stings done in Arizona , New Jersey , New York, D.C, Virginia are the only ones who were visited, The report only accounts for only the two in Arizona that called the police. The report only reports that the east affiliates only called the west after they found out that that it might be a sting. If the others called the police it would be reported that more called the police. Plus, if those were the only plan parenthood hit their would be less videos on live action. If you watch the videos it explains that ” if one doesn’t report claims of sex trafficking they become an accomplice” Hence why the president of planned parenthood wrote to the FBI, it gets any planned parenthood who didn’t call the police off the hook of being prosecuted. But , it doesn’t show that any of the clinics on live action did so.
You think you’re really intelligent, don’t you? I’ve been waiting a while to get back to you on this. I would have sooner but I haven’t had access to an actual computer.
Let me explain something to you. When someone runs an illegal operation that involves something as serious as sex trafficking, they’re not going to admit to a stranger that they’re doing that. Why? Because if you’re convicted of such a serious crime, you get sent to a maximum security prison for a loooong time, possibly for the rest of your life. Do you want to know what that’s like? 23 hours per day in a small cell and one hour per week outside in the rec yard.
What I’m getting at is that Live Action made it obvious that they were trying to make one of those “sting” videos. They don’t know how to portray sex traffickers. The workers damn well knew they were being scammed.
Despite all of that, it’s not just the Arizona clinics that called the cops. However, since you insist on drawing conclusions before doing any research, I decided to do you a favor and do some research for you. You’re welcome.
Weather or not the workers thought it was a sting or not, they didn’t follow protocol for the law or planned parenthood. It is not up to the worker to deiced if it is a sting or for real. In each video the pimp and prostitutes repeatedly make it clear that they are in sex work and some of their workers are underage and illegal (there is no legal sex work that is allowed the employment of girls under the ages of 18, much less 14 or 15).There was no confusion in what he did. There was no confusion in the relationship between the said pimp and prostitutes. Once those words were uttered the police should of been called that day, If not when they were still there. The fact that the president even admits that they don’t know the true identity of this guy means that it is likely none the clinics on live action attempted to call the police while they were their , and planned parenthood has yet to release any statement with evidence assuring that each clinic called the police.
As for your “research” your first article Doesn’t mention any calling of the police, but references the letter to the FBI exactly a week after the first sting, which is only after they got wind of the sting and wanted to save their asses.
Your second article is very biased or at least the quotes they use from other articles are biased . It also makes claims that the videos are discredited but don’t give any evidence of this, but claim that there is no wrong doing in the videos and that the videos are selectively edited. yet in 6 out 7 of the videos the workers can be heard whispering incriminating information and advising the pimp or prostitute ways to get around the rules of how to get services. One worker saying that ” They don’t need to know anything”. Even if you don’t agree with that being incriminating the fact that their is no reports or evidence of the clinics on live action immediately calling the police is wrong doing in its self. Also, it mentions that the FBI was contacted before the videos release. But, that is irrelevant since it is still fact that their is no evidence majority of the clinics immediately called police.
Your third article only mentions that
“The Planned Parenthood spokeswoman said that individual clinics called local law enforcement. “
But doesn’t mention which ones called and which ones didn’t. All the articles you provided were written well before the NBC article , which mentions that the Arizona clinics were hit but called the police, only after they were warned by the east clinics. The later articles had the information or could have obtained the information, but they only use the blanket statement that the authorities were called. If all were called why not report it or show evidence of such. For the clinics that are reported to have called the police there are no videos. So you would have to assume that the videos are of the ones that didn’t call.
You last article mentions that
"In a statement Tuesday, Planned Parenthood spokesman Stuart Schear said that immediately after the Jan. 13 visit, the clinic staff alerted the national organization and contacted local authorities about the possibility of a sex ring operating in the area."
Before the Jan 13 sting 5 out of the 7 successful stings were already done . Plus, this article also doesn’t mention Arizona. Yet planned parenthood has not released evidence of any of the the clinics calling the police and if they did call the police immediately after why wasn’t the actors arrested or even questioned. They had to make a copy of his license to have the service he did. so likely it is false that the the police was called before the Arizona clinics. Even so even planned parenthood said that the NJ clinic worker did wrong and she was fired. So even taking the 13th as the earliest the police were called 5 clinics failed to call the police after the visit.
In conclusion I am not just making this up these are the facts
- Majority of the clinics didn’t call the police
- The only clinics that are reported to call the police are the Arizona clinics. They are the only ones mentioned in any article to call , and they only called after they were warned of the sting.
- The actors weren’t captured and weren’t questioned or arrested. If the police were called like they said they were at the clinics shown on live action he would of face one of the above events.
- The NJ clinic manager was fired.
- In each video it is clearly mentioned that the people shooting the videos are pimps and prostitutes and that some of their workers are underage and illegal. There was no confusion of the situation.
The first article mentioned that the Perth Amboy clinic (the one where the manager was fired from) notified authorities. It doesn’t say what the other clinics did, but it was definitely worth mentioning since you seem to think that none of the clinics in the videos that were released notified law enforcement, especially not this “bad clinic”.
You’re in no place to talk to me about bias when you support Live Action. The fact that Media Matters is liberal doesn’t change the fact that their findings raise a lot of concerns. Why is Live Action doctoring the audio of their videos instead of cutting out parts of the video that they deem unimportant? The latter is MUCH easier. People don’t intentionally make things more difficult for themselves for no reason. The source also mentioned that the employee from the clinic in Virginia notified law enforcement. That’s worth mentioning for the same reason that the first article was worth mentioning. It also mentioned that they have been working with federal and local authorities.
And there you go again with the hair splitting. It’s funny how you’re so eager to nit pick every shred of evidence that shows that Planned Parenthood acted appropriately but you have no qualms about blindly believing an organization that is A LOT more biased and unreliable than the sources I found.
Regarding the last source, did you not read the entire thing or were you just hoping that I wouldn’t notice that you completely ignored the part that said “At least 12 clinics in six states received visits in January by men claiming to be engaged in sex trafficking, according to Planned Parenthood. In each case, the clinic’s staff notified federal and local authorities”?
Most of the clinics reported the visits. Get over it. Live Action is not to be trusted. I know that you love what they fight for, but they’re not good people to listen to.
There are is a problem with that. If they did call law enforcement, planned parenthood just fired someone for doing their job, since she would had to give the order to call the police. But, in the planned parenthood’s statement they said her behavior was unacceptable. If that is so, having someone visit talking about a sex ring with underage and illegal participant that they run, then calling the police is what planned parenthood deems unacceptable behavior then they are contradicting themselves. Even if she did seem like she was aiding them , she did call the police didn’t she? so why would planned parenthood fire her for doing exactly what they would of wanted her to do. So either planned parenthood fired a women for doing her job, or they fired her for trying to aid a pimp in a sex ring. Plus, the Washington post is the only news story I have looked up that states that NJ did, and it is not a direct quote.
I don’t support live action this post is the first time I have heard of them. But , by looking at the videos and looking at all the reports and the ones you provided their is more evidence on the side of live action. It is not just that they are liberal it is that they only have quotes from TWO SOURCES that are both also liberal.
They didn’t doctor the videos The audio is just off. Everything that is said in the first video is said in the full version. The audio was probably not placed right for the edited video. That and just editing the over 14 minute video down to 7 minutes is not doctoring the audio. If you record audio separate from video it is almost impossible to get the audio in sync with the video with out a visual and sound of a signal.
Here is my problem with the reporting. Planned parenthood requires you to show id when you are asking about stds. I had to do this once or twice. So if this person visited several clinics they would have to have a copy of his Id If he wasn’t caught in virginia where he did a few visits then how is it that they called the police. Even if he left they would be able to look up his name and car their is no reason this guy wasn’t caught. If police were called immediately in any of these clinics how did they get into (at leas for the guy) 5 clinics without getting caught ? Please answer me that. Also, most articles say that planned parenthood as a non quoted statement said that all clinics called the police. Yet no one got caught or no investigation was made until a week after the stings were done. It doesn’t add up. Unless you can provide evidence that all clinics called locally or some did . Then you can’t assume that any of them did, for the fact that they didn’t catch this guy and that none of the reports on this situation confirm which clinics called the cops. Nbc only says that arizona did, ny times says nj did, and abc says virginia did , yet it is not in any other report. Also no report directly quotes that every one called the cops.
You have not proved any wrong doing of live actions videos. Planned parent hood fired one of their manager, yet they have not tried to prove that they called the police . They only have a claim that the head of their company wrote to the FBI a week after everything happened. The videos maybe poorly edited but not deceivingly. They seemed legit enough to planned parenthood to fire one of their employees. Not to mention different reports give different timelines of what happened between the days of the start and finish of the stings. If they were contacted immediately then the pimp should of been arrested by at least the 13th.
1. It says that 12 clinics were visited meaning that the seven on the site were the successful stings. Knowing that the arizona clinics were don’t during or on the 13 th, 7 or more clinics were visited between the 11 th and 13th 3 being in virginia. That is 7 or more clinics that have this guys drivers license, or at least a photo id of this person. But, this guy was never caught by police? Police catch shoplifters with less all the time. But police can’t catch a pimp with a copie of his id with 7 or more clinics ?
2. That statement is a statement by the washington post that reads ” According to Planned Parenthood.” The point is that all mentions of clinics calling the police come from planned parenthood that say that they called the police immediately, which strives in all odds, if they did , to why this guy wasn’t caught. Also , planned parenthood is not going to incriminate themselves. So asking them is like asking a killer if he did it and asking live action is like asking the family of the victim if he did it. There is no third party confirmation ( the police ) saying that they did it.
3. read the first paragraph , proves that nj didn’t .
4. You are taking every report word of what they say as gospel when the facts follow that this guy wasn’t caught when police are totally capable of capturing him. Planned parenthood fired their employee for UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR, and planned parenthood in their own letter states that they don’t know weather it is a hoax or real. So, if the head didn’t know how would the affiliates know?
Your argument or, best argument is that only some of the clinics did call the police after the 13th. I can agree with that. But, you would have to agree that the clinics on video did not call the police because if they did what would be the point of them being on the site. You already proved that there were 12 clinics that were visited. So lets see this from the extreme of both sides. If liveaction visited 12 and none of them called the police ,dispite the Fbi letter a week after, there would of been 12 videos on the liveaction site because if they called the police then they didn’t break any laws. If live action visited 12 clinics and they all called the police then there would be no videos on the site because if they called the police then they didn’t do break any laws. However the reality of the situtuation is that there are seven videos . So there is more than a pattern that workers maybe encouraged to do stuff like is shown in the video.