Hey guys! Since apparently a fetus is a person and a person can use someone’s body without their consent, I move that we start forcibly hauling prolifers off to get tested to be matches for people who need organ or bone marrow donation!
Since they think a person’s…
Well no because then you a forcing them to give the body part up. while a women willingly gives sperm access to her eggs and in result a child is created. The child had no choice in the matter. It is the equivialent of bring a homeless person in your home and then killing them for being there.
More like leaving your door open and a homeless guy comes in and you kick him out even though he’ll die.
No that is how plant procreate. Are implying that women don’t choose who they procreate with, and if they want to procreate?. All women who choose to have consensual sex choose to procreate.
I’m implying over 50% of all people who aborted were on some form of birth control at the time they got pregnant.
Oh well that is great, but prevention doesn’t negate their consent. If you smoke a cigarette with a filter instead of one without a filter it doesn’t change the fact you are still breathing in smoke and harming your lungs. Just because you agree to be shot in the chest with a bulletproof vest rather than without one doesn’t negate your consent to get shot in the chest. You can use prevention, but prevention does not equal consent. 50% of those who aborted still consented to sex. When someone says don’t have sex until you are ready, getting pregnant is what you want to be ready for.
Lol so when people smoke, or if someone with a bulletproof vest lets someone shoot them in the chest, we as a society are to say “oh well, you knew what you were in for”? Since fucking when?
Um no the point is even though someone uses prevention like a bulletptoof vest , a filter, or birth control they are still consenting to the original action ( getting shot, smoking , or pregnancy.)
Pretending that you make sense, consent can be revoked at any time. So this line of questioning doesn’t even matter.
This is not about the moment before the action of shooting the gun, breathing in the smoke or giving sperm access to the vagina, it is the moment after the gun is fired , the smoke is breathed in , or the sperm is given access. You can not stop a bullet in flight , smoke breathed in from going to your lungs or sperm that has been ejaculated in your vagina from trying to fertilize a egg. It is about giving permission. That is the part you are missing. Consent is relevant to what you want. You consent to things every day you don’t want. You can consent to get paid to do a crappy job. The food you order for lunch was not good, but you didn’t want to deal with getting some thing else so you consent to eating the crappy food. Consent =/= want. Consent = allow. When you put on a bulletproof vest you and have some one shoot you, you are consenting to getting shot; When you smoke a cigarette every day you are consenting to harming your lungs, and when you let a penis enter and release sperm into your body you are consenting to get pregnant. Consent doesn’t end when you can’t control the situation you can’t sue some one if that bullet hits you where you don’t have protection, you cant sue if you get lung damage, and you can’t sue if your contraception and condoms fail. Because the government reconizes that sex is the action of procreation and by having it you are contenting to exposing yourself to getting pregnant. So I would like you to tell me how you can consent to having sex but not pregnancy when that is the only path that can be taken by having sex.
Okay. Since you’re not understanding the words, let me tell you what using birth control usually implies: to regulate a woman’s cycle for reproductive or comfort level reasons. To CONTROL BIRTH. Which kind of means, um, “OH HEY I DON’T WANT TO GET PREGNANT.” Responsible people who want to emjoy sex with their loving partners will use birth control (also condoms and everything else) … which means THEY DONT WANNA GET A BABY.
Why do you think women on birth control get freaked the fuck out when they get pregnant whem they used all methods possible to stop it?
Omg why do I have to explain this shit.
"DUHHH DERP USING BIRTH CONTROL IS INVITING PREGNANCY TO HAPPEN."
BIRTH CONTROL =/= CONSENT TO GET KNOCKED UP YOU REMEDIAL FOOL.
Your wants and desires are not relevant to consent. You don’t have to want something to consent to it. If you go to school, I am sure every assignment you did you didn’t want to do, but by doing them you consented to doing them. If you have a job you consent to all the duties that the job requires you to do, while most of them you don’t want to do. You consent going to school by getting on the bus. When you accept a job there are many things you consent that you probably don’t want to do.
Birth control is not 100% even with depo there is .005 chance. Taking Birth control is the desire to have sex with low risk of pregnancy. If you truly don’t want to get pregnant you would t have vaginal sex. And you have that choice not to mention anal sex can feel just as good if not better you can use toys, ect. If you choose to have sex you are consenting to pregnancy . pregnancy is the primary objective of sex. Since when you have sex your body takes that as you trying to to get or get some one pregnant. Therefore every act of sex is consent to pregnancy. Lowering risk doesn’t negate your consent. If you do the act you are consenting to the act.
Sorry. No. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Your logic is pretty fallible there. You can keep telling yourself that and attaching idiotic nonsensr analogies all you please, but you can’t tell me what to do with my body. I will choose to have all the glorious protected responsible sex I want because I consent to the pleasure and bonding I derive (another function of sex), but if ever that birth control fails, I will seek an abortion because that was not why I am having sex. Until I want another child, I will enioy sex for what it also is: bonding with a beloved and supporting partner.
Go ahead and try to slut shame me and I’ll find you a good vibrator to shove up your own ass.
How so is my logic wrong you have not state and argument. Unless your argument is I will do what I want because I can now.
Yes that is true by all means you can have sex all you want protected or not and will be able to kill resulting developing child, However no one is obligated to give you an abortion. How would you do and abortion without doing serious harm to yourself? If abortions were not available how would you prevent the birth of the baby without any abortionist? You forget the only reason you can even get an abortion is if another does it for you. No one is obligated to provide a service to you. As a lone human you dont have the ability to preform a safe abortion.
But the thing is, we are discussing weather abortion is wrong or right; not if it is legal or not obviously it is it is legal. However, being legal does not validate it or make it right. For example slavery or marijuana. Slavery was legal in the US for over 100 years. Marijuana something considered not a very harmful drug is legal in , I believe, 48 states and is federally illegal. Law is not a validation of anything being just. How about you explain your stance rather then dismissing everything I say.
I’m sorry you don’t like abortion. I don’t view it as murder. I took basic human biology classes and paid attention and have come to my own conclusion that human life begins at BIRTH, not conception. Therefore, no murder is committed and that is why abortion should still be legal.
I take steps and precautions to be safe from STD’s and pregnancy. Since nothing is failsafe, I hope they do not fail. You are still insisting that you know more than I, and insist women should be burdened with guilt. I refuse to be cowed by some little person on the internet telling me what is right and what is wrong. My argument stands: abortion should be legal because it isn’t murder. Saying it is over and over again isn’t an argument. Will not magically change my mind.
Funny how you equate getting pregnant with getting shot with a gun. Are you from Florida?
Abortion sucks. I’ve heard its unpmfortable. But you know what really sucks? Flushing 18 yeard of.your life raising a kid you didnt want because your future is either “adopt or abstinence” and I’m tired of that goddamn spiel.
You say you took biology and paid attention, but you also say you came to your own conclusion. If you are insisting that your stance is supported by biology you are mistaken. The basis of your argument stands on the back of : is a fetus a human life. A baby is human and it is certainly alive. The dna of a baby says that it is human. It comes from two humans, easy enough. I can tell you now that a baby doesn’t com alive when it comes out of your vagina. That only means the baby has took its first breath. It couldn’t of been dead in your uterus for 9 months. But lets get some criteria for life.
- Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state; for example, electrolyte concentration or sweating to reduce temperature.
- Organization: Being structurally composed of one or more cells — the basic units of life.
- Metabolism: Transformation of energy by converting chemicals and energy into cellular components (anabolism) and decomposing organic matter (catabolism). Living things require energyto maintain internal organization (homeostasis) and to produce the other phenomena associated with life.
- Growth: Maintenance of a higher rate of anabolism than catabolism. A growing organism increases in size in all of its parts, rather than simply accumulating matter.
- Adaptation: The ability to change over time in response to the environment. This ability is fundamental to the process of evolution and is determined by the organism’s heredity, diet, and external factors.
- Response to stimuli: A response can take many forms, from the contraction of a unicellular organism to external chemicals, to complex reactions involving all the senses of multicellular organisms. A response is often expressed by motion; for example, the leaves of a plant turning toward the sun (phototropism), and chemotaxis.
- Reproduction: The ability to produce new individual organisms, either asexually from a single parent organism, or sexually from two parent organisms.
cells basic unit of life and are very much alive. technically they follow 6 of the characteristics of life. Cells are not made of cells but they do have a organize body structure and are functionally alive. like any other organism. They themselves can not be made of cells of course, but they live and die. Humans are created from a sperm cells and a egg. Sperm is a single celled organism. Sperm can live in a women for almost a week so it must be preforming homeostasis to stay alive that long. It is composed of a cell. It uses such forms of energy such as glucose and fructose to use as energy. Sperm start as Germs and take 70 days to become full mature sperm. Also sperm comes in three types to adapt to the environment Plus, again it lives in a women 3-5 days. Sperm can be frozen and unfrozen so it response to stimuli. Plus men always have sperm so obviously it is being reproduced some how. so sperm is life. now a sperm in it of its self is not a human however the combination of sperm and egg create the dna necessary for a human to grow. so I am going to number this to show how through development a babie in the womb is life.
- once fertilization begins the cells quickly divide and form what is called a blastula. This becomes a hollow and will form the placenta while the baby develops. This is a form of homeostasis since this protects the baby from the mothers body.
- it is composed of cells
- The baby takes nutrients from the mom and converts it to energy for itself.
- It grows of course
- The baby in the womb will only take what it needs if it doesn’t get what it needs you could have it premature baby on your hands. This counts as adaption.
- Babies will kick while in the womb they will also react to stimuli that enters the womb and music.
- Of course a fetus can get pregnant, but it is not a mature human it is not required to.
So their you have it a baby in the womb does meet the criteria for life and is in fact human and murder is killing of a human so it is murder.
Your position does not stand a fetus is a human life and stoping that life is murder. I am only saying people should not have vaginal sex if they are not willing to deal with the risk. A child should not have to die because you made a irresponsible choice.
I wasn’t comparing getting shot with pregnancy I was comparing the process of consent in both situations. Big difference.
Actually having a child is not a life stopper you can still follow your dreams and every thing. I have several friends that are teen mothers and they are going to college and getting their degree like any one else. Yeah it might be little bit more harder, but not impossible . If you are not up for the challenge the right response is to not have sex.
Oh yay! You’ve proven you can use a search engine to dig up useless shitty facts we already know.
You can now stop telling me what to do with my body.
I’m tired of this discussion. I really am.
If these are all facts we know then how come you claim killing a fetus isn’t murder if all the facts I just stated that you claim to know? If you know these facts you can’t logically say that abortion is not murder. Your either lying to yourself to fit your stance or you are being willfully ignoring the facts.
I’m only going to say this: a fetus can’t survive outside of my body. If it is not welcome, then to me it becomes an unwelcome parasite. It is not murder to terminate an early or unplanned pregnancy. It is not a born person with thoughts and feelings. ***I AM.*** I can see that it might not be an easy choice for most and that’s okay women are entitled to feel however they want, their emotions and experiences matter. For me, choosing abortion would be a no-brainer: i have a child already who needs special attention. If I was with someone romantically, it wouldn’t keep us from being intimate.
And it’s my body and I get to decide what goes in and what has to come out. Hence the birth control/condoms. I decide. My body. I’m not a fucking incubator and refuse to magically lose my right to bodily autonomy because man made contraceptives are not 100% fool proof.
I’m sorry but I won’t budge on this. Abortion is harsh. But forcing people to forego sex entirely is unrealistic. Policing bedroom acrivities is you being an asshole. I love vaginal sex. I absolutely enjoy it. I will have any kind of sex i want, take any precaution, and any action if precaution fails. Its MY. BODY.
First off a fetuses are not suppose to survive outside the placenta, that is the whole point of them being there. That point would only make sense if they could , but wouldn’t . The fetus is developing, saying that it must be able to live outside the body is like telling 1 year old to support financially them self by them self. You wouldn’t call every one year old a deadbeat, so why would you put that unrealistic expectation on a developing baby.
I was welcome by you when you had sex. See the difference between a parasite and a fetus is :that a fetus is a human being, a human is not a parasite in the animal kingdom, that human being was invited in to your body by your actions, that human being only takes enough nutrients to survive not to all of it, it leaves you after 9 months or less regardless of development, and it doesn’t make you sick or kill you. A parasite is not invited in your body it goes from host to host using the host as vessel for nutrients and shelter until the host forces the parasite out or the host dies. The whole point of a parasite is malicious intent to steal all your bodily resources, while a baby only uses what it needs to survive. Plus, show me a scientifically classified parasite that is parasitic to its own species. A baby is not a parasite.
If a fetus is a human , which it is , and is alive, which it is, then it is a human being , which it is , and you kill that human being, which abortion does, then it is murder. It is as simple as that. You have no logic or reasoning behind your stance.
Obviously being born is not a requirement of being a human being or a baby that is more than 20 weeks would be legal to abort. Also, since a fetus that is fully developed and not born is a fully functioning human being. The only thing that being born does is lets the baby take its first breath only because for most of the fetuses development it is submerged in fluid so it literally can’t breath, hence why if you put your baby under water they will not drown because they have a reflex that close off their throat automatically until they learn to hold their breath by themselves. So being born is just them inflating their lungs for the first time.
No, Emotions and experiences don’t matter because of the exact reason you are arguing. You FEEL that a baby is a parasite and that not having a abortion is violation of your bodily autonomy, even though all science and logic says the opposite. The reason your feelings don’t matter are that you can feel whatever you want while science is limited to the rules of objectivity. You have been using your feeling and emotions to argue your point while I have been using logic and reason. Your argument is simply biased.
See the problem here is that you couple vaginal sex as the only way to be intimate, when there are 100 other ways you can do that. You are not forced to have vaginal sex , and also you are eligible for getting your tubes tied. you have options a baby doesn’t have to be conceived.
Your exactly right you do decide what goes in and what comes out, especially penises. Yes you can have condoms, birth control , and contraception. However in the end it is your decision if you want to have sex. That is your bodily autonomy being practiced. Abortion is not your practicing bodily since it is not your body that you are deciding to alter, and it is not your life to end.
Actually you are if you choose to be a incubator, you know like having sex. You don’t magically lose your right you just can’t kill some one because you had sex and didn’t like the result. That is not a right. If you get a tattoo ,years ago, you had tattoo forever nobody would be obligated to get rid of it for you. No body is obligated to get rid of your baby no one is obligated to help you get rid of your baby.
Abortion is not necessary in our society. I am not forcing any body to do anything. I am only telling you that you having sex is your consent to pregnancy. If you think you can have sex and not want to deal with the result , you are simply irresponsible. I am not going to change my wording because of your feelings that is just what it is. I am not policing the bedroom I am just telling the realistic situation. Your bodily autonomy is not violated, you used it to get pregnant. You can have sex, and use contraception, but you are still consenting to pregnancy that is the responsibility of sex.